Qualquer dia sentamos na mota, colocamos o destino no gps e largamos o guiador para ler uma revista ou beber um chá;

in: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-...-steering/

Honda tech steers out of danger: Clever new tech brings the ability to take control and prevent accidents

"When Honda unveiled the Riding Assist and Riding Assist-e concept bikes back in 2017 the self-balancing machines stunned with their autonomous abilities – and now Honda is developing the technology to use on the road.

The concept bikes could balance themselves, even when stationary, and could trundle along at a walking pace without a rider, using an array of sensors and self-steering as well as autothrottle and braking.

Now the latest patent suggests the aim isn’t to have a bike that assumes complete control, but one that can take an element of control from the rider either to give them a break or prevent an accident.

Bike-mounted radar is already a reality and Yamaha is trialling a steering-assist system on factory motocross bikes in the All-Japan championship, but Honda’s new patent is a huge step forward.

It combines cameras, radar and LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging, using lasers to create a virtual 3D map of the bike’s surroundings), with a series of automatic controls including throttle, brakes and steering, all overseen by a series of computer modules.

On top of that, there are the usual sensors for speed, acceleration and braking, plus GPS and a built-in ‘communication device’ – basically a mobile phone with cellular, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity – plus a short-range system to ‘talk’ to nearby vehicles.
The steering system uses the same ‘magnetostrictive’ torque sensor setup that Yamaha’s prototype steering assistance is based on, monitoring the rider’s inputs and providing help when needed.

There’s also a rider-facing camera and pressure sensors in the seat, bar grips and footpegs to judge the rider’s weight distribution and posture. It can also monitor the position of pillions to account for their influence on the bike.

Altogether, the tech endows the bike with the same level of semi-autonomous ability as some of the very latest, high-end cars. So it gets adaptive cruise control (ACC) and lane-keeping assistance (LKAS) as well as auto lane-changing (ALC) and ‘low-speed car passing’ (LSP) to automatically overtake dawdling vehicles. It’s very close to having true autonomous riding ability.
The LKAS is more complex on bikes than cars. Where a car system positions the vehicle in the middle of the lane, the bike version has the ability to alter its position within the lane depending on circumstances.

For riding in groups, for instance, it will adopt a staggered pattern, offset from the bike ahead to maximise vision and increase the available braking distance. In corners, it uses the lane’s width to open the curve, and if a faster-moving bike is detected approaching from behind the system is designed to move to the side of the lane, letting it past.

Throughout all this, the rider is intended to be in overall control, with the system stepping in to help only when needed.

Read the latest stories causing a buzz this week in News…"

(26-05-2022 às 23:34)Liquid_Fire Escreveu:  Qualquer dia sentamos na mota, colocamos o destino no gps e largamos o guiador para ler uma revista ou beber um chá;

in: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-...-steering/

Honda tech steers out of danger: Clever new tech brings the ability to take control and prevent accidents

"When Honda unveiled the Riding Assist and Riding Assist-e concept bikes back in 2017 the self-balancing machines stunned with their autonomous abilities – and now Honda is developing the technology to use on the road.

The concept bikes could balance themselves, even when stationary, and could trundle along at a walking pace without a rider, using an array of sensors and self-steering as well as autothrottle and braking.

Now the latest patent suggests the aim isn’t to have a bike that assumes complete control, but one that can take an element of control from the rider either to give them a break or prevent an accident.

Bike-mounted radar is already a reality and Yamaha is trialling a steering-assist system on factory motocross bikes in the All-Japan championship, but Honda’s new patent is a huge step forward.

It combines cameras, radar and LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging, using lasers to create a virtual 3D map of the bike’s surroundings), with a series of automatic controls including throttle, brakes and steering, all overseen by a series of computer modules.

On top of that, there are the usual sensors for speed, acceleration and braking, plus GPS and a built-in ‘communication device’ – basically a mobile phone with cellular, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity – plus a short-range system to ‘talk’ to nearby vehicles.
The steering system uses the same ‘magnetostrictive’ torque sensor setup that Yamaha’s prototype steering assistance is based on, monitoring the rider’s inputs and providing help when needed.

There’s also a rider-facing camera and pressure sensors in the seat, bar grips and footpegs to judge the rider’s weight distribution and posture. It can also monitor the position of pillions to account for their influence on the bike.

Altogether, the tech endows the bike with the same level of semi-autonomous ability as some of the very latest, high-end cars. So it gets adaptive cruise control (ACC) and lane-keeping assistance (LKAS) as well as auto lane-changing (ALC) and ‘low-speed car passing’ (LSP) to automatically overtake dawdling vehicles. It’s very close to having true autonomous riding ability.
The LKAS is more complex on bikes than cars. Where a car system positions the vehicle in the middle of the lane, the bike version has the ability to alter its position within the lane depending on circumstances.

For riding in groups, for instance, it will adopt a staggered pattern, offset from the bike ahead to maximise vision and increase the available braking distance. In corners, it uses the lane’s width to open the curve, and if a faster-moving bike is detected approaching from behind the system is designed to move to the side of the lane, letting it past.

Throughout all this, the rider is intended to be in overall control, with the system stepping in to help only when needed.

Read the latest stories causing a buzz this week in News…"

Como diz no artigo, é a continuidade ou evolução daquele projecto já há tempos falado, do "Honda Riding Assist".

https://motonliners.pt/topico-honda-e-bi...ing-assist

A Honda a seguir "tout court" aquela velha máxima que eles mesmos inventaram, do "total control". Aliás, ser a única marca que tem um sistema de caixa automática (DCT) em vários dos seus modelos de cilindradas mais elevadas, revela essa política do user friendly, de querer ter motos acessíveis e conduzíveis, por e para todos.

Se entretanto isso irá vender e se o comum motociclista, que ainda vê a moto como um objecto de culto e prazer, vai olhar para motos com sistemas que basicamente a vão tornar num mero meio de transporte com condução autónoma (ou quase)... já são outros "quinhentos".

Acho que todo o aumento de segurança num veiculo tão perigoso como a mota é de louvar, mas se esse aumento é feito com o sacrifico do controlo do condutor, então desagrada-me. A ver vamos no que isto dá, mas já têm aquele sistema de auto balanceamento, agora isto, tudo indica que eles querem caminhar no sentido de uma mota com auto pilot como vemos nos tesla, se mais ou menos intrusivo veremos um dia

(27-05-2022 às 11:51)Liquid_Fire Escreveu:  Acho que todo o aumento de segurança num veiculo tão perigoso como a mota é de louvar, mas se esse aumento é feito com o sacrifico do controlo do condutor, então desagrada-me. A ver vamos no que isto dá, mas já têm aquele sistema de auto balanceamento, agora isto, tudo indica que eles querem caminhar no sentido de uma mota com auto pilot como vemos nos tesla, se mais ou menos intrusivo veremos um dia

Mas é precisamente isso. As "ajudas" à condução, no sentido de um sistema passivo que corrija ou salvaguarde eventuais ocorrências ou erros de condução, são bem vindas. Mas quando esses sistemas deixam de ser meramente auxiliares e começam a substituir o condutor no seu todo, tornando a moto num autómato, esta, como veículo de lazer e divertimento, deixa de ter sentido e piada.
Para isso, (embora em Portugal ainda sejam praticamente inexistentes), existem já as moto-taxi !!!

As marcas precisam deste tipo de publicidade, ainda longe da comercialização, para aliciarem os clientes.

A Honda para mim está no limite da desilusão e não há "notícia tecnológica" que mude isso. Problemas de qualidade, produtos de interesse debatível, falta de competitividade. O Honda Twin 1100 tem menos binário do que a maioria das 1000, ainda por cima a um regime elevado. As malas lateriais e carenagens da NT1100 parecem ter sido desenhadas em 2 horas sem qualquer critério. Há muitos testes que criticam a falta de cuidado.

A Goldwing debita menos potência e binário do que qualquer outra concorrente (à volta de 90 ps quando anuncia 125). https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/2...st-review/

Estou convencido de que a qualidade Honda é, para a maioria da oferta, uma miragem. Até a sempre-em-crise Suzuki consegue melhor.

Desde que tenha a opção de desligar, como as atuais "ajudas" têm, nada contra.